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Actually a pretty good solution. My money will be going elsewhere this winter for sure. Good luck with that. Not for all of us. For example, my main piece of tech is a Garmin xt, which has a nifty recovery adviser built in. However, it only takes into account workouts recorded with the watch.
So yeah, when I ride the trainer with Trainerroad, I also record the workout with the so that the recovery data is useful. Been looking at smart trainers for this winter training and really like the side to side motion of the rock and roll trainers. Currently I am on a dumb trainer without variable resistance using a stages power meter hr and speed sensor too onto my Garmin using sufferfest videos through a dvd player, but the solution you outlined here is actually quite a bit better assuming the app works and sufferfest stuff comes through.
Since I am not really heavily invested in trainer stuff already, it seems just going through Kirk Kinetic and using the app and casting it onto the TV is a pretty good solution to all of this. There is a several second video delay using chromecast. That is not a viable option. They say its a dying protocol yet all the other trainers use it? Looks like an old Computrainer RU. Poor development on design, connectivity,… While Wahoo, Tacx and Elite CycleOps missed the boat but jumped on it this year are setting benchmarks in trainer business, Kinetic is pottering in the background.
Thanks for the info Ray! This is a spectacularly unwise and arrogant move. If this is indeed an unwise move, we will correct our mistake long before we go out of business. What software do you currently use? Integration is fast and easy.
Not even proprietary, they are publishing the api. Although in fairness, there is no standard Bluetooth control protocol which is why Wahoo originally rolled their own. Maybe KK thinks they can get everyone to use their api like Wahoo did, only times have changed. So each company is indeed doing things slightly differently, which sucks, but is fine in the context of the realm of suck that exists. We will be discussing this at length in a post on our blog soon.
Go ride one at a store in a month and compare against those similarly priced trainers. Looks like Kinetic is making my decision to a Wahoo Kicker even easier. Actually we are integrating the consumer friendly standard: BLE. No dongles ever again! Very stupid move by Kinetic.
Look at them now! Garmin rules!! For all of you that have a Kurt Kinetic — cherrish it….. Ray, do you have any thoughts on why Kurt Kinetic would think it was a good idea to not follow standards? We will be writing up a detailed explanation on our blog this week. We hope you will take the time to read it.
Who say down at Kinetic and said.. Cycleops…Tacx…lets do ours! It does have Bluetooth Smart. Which means that probably every device you own aside from Garmin Head Units, but who uses a head unit to train on a trainer? Come on. We all know who you guys are, and you make a brilliant platform loving my Rock and Roll here but you are turning your lovers to haters this way.
Then and really not before! Also the upgrade price is a crazy one, you must realize this. If it was in the range, it would be something I would consider given it would have ANT support. By the way, I am leading a group of product developers inside an IT company. This is basic stuff here guys, just ask anyone. Even if the other options are more expensive, at least they are allowing me to keep my existing accessories and train old fashioned with a head unit instead of having to buy a laptop or use my phone to ride or log or control my workouts.
Joel, your market research people either lied to you or phoned it in. People use the tech they have, and that means they use their Garmin head units when indoors on trainers. You can continue to mock it in the hopes of making it go away, but wishful thinking does not equate to reality. And that equates into dollars for your company.
The choice is yours. Good luck. I tried both and they feel too different. I can not make direct comparison because of it. The motion of NEO while not over-exaggerated feels really nice and cushioned. I liked it. That is what I did. Also if you are thinking of buying NEO make sure that there are easy ways to exchange if something does not work. I used to train with an iPhone mounted to my handlebars, but I now use a Garmin head unit, as does virtually everyone I train with and race against.
This means they work when they are covered in sweat, unlike a smartphone screen. I know your own iPhone app is very good and would allow something close to this, but most other apps are really limited in this respect. Or that the latest app update has changed the screen layout, or added some new functionality.
Garmin head units just work. You just want to get in the zone and stare at your power and HR data for 20 minutes as you do the same warm up you did last race. And to a lesser extend for its recovery guide. Is is really so detrimental to your strategy? Btw, funny that ditching cd-roms etc. This is like trying to sell a gravel grinder bike which only fits 20mm tyres.
Breaking the status quo is never easy. No one wants to add another electronics box to the mix with no compatibility. This confuses me. We will be doing a write up on all of this soon on our blog. We hope you read it. The beauty of the Kinetic Road Machine is that the same equipment I use on it goes right out the door with me when weather is suitable for riding.
I would love to ride on Zwift or Trainer road or any other live-stream platform but my reality is that in Alaska a broadband connection with unlimited or actual usable bandwidth is a still in the future pipe dream. In total there are 52 broadband providers in Alaska.
There are , people in Alaska without access to a wired connection capable of 25mbps download speeds. There are , people in Alaska that have access to only one wired provider, leaving them no options to switch. I keep checking for this soon to be published blog but no-joy.
As a consumer it sounds like you are comparing your company to Apple in that your innovation will change the world in trainers and software and I hope you are correct. However so far your implementation on products In-ride, new power unit to me is comparable to what Nintendo has done versus Sony Playstation and X-Box.
Sony did it the best up to the PS3 slim version; all their PS versions were backwards compatible to the original PS which kept consumers inside their ecosystem because they saw value in upgrading because it allowed them to keep and continue playing with their existing products. Huge win for the company and for the consumers, and kept many a user from switching.
I love my Road machine simply because it just works, I put my bike on it, it is very quiet, no issues with leaks and gives me a very realistic road feel. Having the ability to control it with my existing equipment at a reasonable price for upgrading would keep me in the Kinetic ecosystem. Kinetic is employee owned and run by about 6 people. No CEO. No Board of Directors. The decisions we make are mulled over for long periods of time and collectively agreed too. We all care deeply about the products we create and we try to make products that you will want to purchase.
We support our products with ridiculously awesome warranties and have chosen this path to ensure that we can provide the best possible experience for you. We have actually learned some things, contrary to what you might see, and are moving forward with products that will work with all of the devices you purchase today, tomorrow, and probably the next 10 years.
No dongles. No dependency on a privately controlled wireless tech acting as a middleman. Relationships with every software developer, helping them with integration, testing and ensuring a stellar user experience. I have a 3 year old KK Road machine and it works great but eventually wanted to upgrade to a smart trainer. Like other peoples comments the upgrade kit to retro fit my current road machine is a crazy price.
Not sure how they plan on staying in business. I am sure you will sell trainers still. All I was saying like most people on here is the upgrade kit price is outrageous. Also how do I connect the smart part of your trainer with my setup. I have a desktop computer that is connected to my TV.
I start zwift or TR and it finds the dongle and communicates the information to the screen for me. I also like some people use my xt when riding on zwift to get my stats instead of pulling the file to attach to my garmin connect account. Reason why which I am sure you guess is because I want to see how many miles I went on a flat course vs. Thanks for the REI tip Philip. I am still waiting for the dust to settle, and riding in Zwift using my cadence and speed from Garmin.
Stone age I guess, but thought I would wait a bit. WOW did they ever miss. I was really hoping to hear great things and be tempted to upgrade even though the pricing had me already leaning away. Then add the standards issue and they have shot themselves in the foot! We will detail our decision in an upcoming blog post, we hope you read it. Makes more sense to sell the Kinetic and take my trainer business elsewhere, unless they reconsider their position.
Through some email interactions with KK support I was pointed to this post which does at least leave the door open for a course correction :. We reconsider our positions on a daily basis. Everything is subject to change.
If we are wrong, you can be assured that we will correct our mistakes. I appreciate your responses Joel. Wireless protocols aside, the Smart Control upgrade price is still a concern. Jason can help you out: joverman kurt. And we definitely see the upgrade price complaints. I appreciate you responses as well Joel.
We get it. We know how to get stuff to work. I want the new tech to work with the old tech. What your calling blind loyalty is actually investment in the form of cash and energy and time to figure out how to make things work together. When I find myself in a position to move up to a smart trainer though, KK is not under consideration. Willful failure to adhere to industry standards is an indication of bad management decision-making and I am not investing money in a product that may not be around long.
Forward thinking. Potential customers are telling you that your wrong. Software developer community is eager to implement new features that can help win over competitors. Implementing yet another protocol is nothing but distraction however small or big. Definitely looking forward to hearing them out on their blog on the reasons they feel this is a valid and smart business move.
Both of these applications are supported by the KK platform apparently, so this seems completely fine to me. What benefits does that bring? Zwift is coming to iOS! Thank you for taking a step back and understanding that if we, the creators of the hardware and software, do our jobs correctly, the wireless technology used is irrelevant to you.
Reading through the comments I see a few things that are underlying all decisions I am making when it comes to sport tech at the moment. Everything shall be able to communicate together without any hiccups. And they should not have a closed protocol or have limited support in the market, or limit where you can use the data Polar in the past.
I see this ticks the two no buttons for what I would consider. Those tablets also have BLE. So does every other Android device sold. Dynastream failed to win that war back in , Garmin bought it wholesale and has been cornering the bike market for the last decade while the rest of the tech market moved forward with BLE.
When you are in the market for a new trainer, maybe see if we were right or wrong. But still why not provide backward compatibility as it were? I was very excited when I saw that there would be a Smart Control Power Unit upgrade available for existing Kinetic trainers.
But there is no established wireless protocol for electronic trainers. Everybody does there own and things seem to be working out okay …. What software do you use when you train? I actually use my Garmin head unit when I train indoors. I want that option. Like many others, I currently train indoors with TR and Zwift. I know those programs should work fine with the upcoming power units. My concern is what about those great programs that have not come out yet? Will they support your proprietary protocols?
Hopefully, but who can say for sure? Why not just bake the support for these established standards into the product? Inertia is a big issue in the uk and your unit wil have a huge amount. We now even have the option of setting workouts from those head units.
In relation to trainer road, I run mine off a laptop, which needs a specific dongle to run Bluetooth with a trainer, even if the laptop has Bluetooth built in. DCR did mention a wired option. I know perfpro are looking to support that. Will that also be an option for trainerroad? I do wish you all the luck with this as it does seem a good unit, which could be an effective training tool. As far as proprietary protocols, we did our own thing because I find the existing spec lacking, and I want to make a better product than just another trainer.
How is ours better from a technical perspective? To make those improvements, we have to do our own thing. Our lack of support for Garmin stuff is a complex answer. We will detail everything later this week on our blog. Check it out. You can also run TR on that iPad! And Sufferfest.
And Kinetic Fit. The USB option is of interest to pretty much everyone. Every other trainer company has adopted both of those standards for their lineups and even their lineups, some also even their lineups. That then made their trainer suitable for everyone within the price point. And I do have a good reason for it beyond just building a better API. That message is better left to our blog post.
For my pennysworth…. This has been one of the reasons that BT based networks have traditionally been prone to high power consumption compared to some other wireless protocols for low bandwidth scenarios in particular. ANT and other use the synchronisation to go into deep sleep as often as possible. Good luck with things either way, I have a slight suspicion you might need it.. I work at a bike shop and get everything at cost. Even with that discount the upgrade price is still too high in my opinion.
Does it cause me any issues? None at all. Do I regret buying it? Big question is would I buy it again in ? Probably not as there are so many alternatives which is where Kinetic possibly has a problem guess the biggest problem for Kinetic now is this review which will in all likelihood force them to change or risk killing sales. IMHO, they will never happen. We were promised a fully functioning app shortly after the release. Never appeared. No real way to customize displays.
Generally clunky. As folks have pointed out, these are not complex problems to resolve in a consumer friendly way. That why it smells so much like less-than-thorough design, and zero post-launch gameplan or support resources. I will own up to the lack of progress in Android. This was accomplished by a small team of 6 guys at Kinetic. When we get the Android version up to speed, I hope you come back and check it out.
Rock n Roll. I want to have my data in the same online training diary as my running, swimming and cycling data i. How do I make that combo work? Forgive me if this is wrong, but I have to have your app on my iPhone and upload every workout manually? So now I have my phone involved? Typically if you want to build a better mousetrap and go compete with established players, you need a lot of resources to do so. Hope you can pull it together and be successful in the marketplace.
The real problem is hidden. On our blog. Later this week. Quarq power meter — many HR straps — footpods — speed sensors — cadence sensors — speed and data sensors — garmin edge — garmin Fenix — etc etc. Sure sounds personal between Kinetics and Garmin…..
My only problem with KK is the upgrade pricing. Drop that or and you can take my money. What I really want to know is what is this new unit like to ride — road feel, responsiveness, noise? If it scores well in those boxes and the price drops a bit then I think it is well worth a look for existing KK owners. Further on upgrade pricing …. Agreed on this — the pricing is high for me for the upgrade.
Huh — a friend forwarded this on to me. My question is do I need to get and use the Kinetic app to be able to connect to a Zwift session on my PC? I pay for Zwift already. Do I have to pay for the Kinetic app too in order to use any of the other training software? I think this really needs to be clearly laid out. That app will communicate with your PC over WiFi. No BLE dongle required.
The Kinetic App is free. We do have a paid subscription tier in it, but that only adds additional training plan content and unlocks a few advanced connectivity options with Apple TV, streaming more video, etc. The free app is still very functional and feature rich as is.
This actually answered a question I had, so thank you for that. I own all the sufferfest videos and training plans already and watch those through my TV using DVD old school. I use my Garmin head unit to show me what my heart rate monitor and my stages PM are doing and ride the workouts to that. I then upload the finished workout via Bluetooth to strava, garmin connect, and trainingpeaks. I would love to get smart training capability.
So, to ride to Sufferfest videos using a Kirt Kinetic smart trainer and get readings from my power meter and heart rate monitor and be displayed on my TV hdmi connections but not a smart TV what would I have to do? If it adds to the fun, I might. They really blew it on this one with the propriety standard. I really like my Road Machine trainer. The upgrade to the Smart Control would be ideal for me but the upgrade price is a bit steep.
A lower price point and you would be getting my money. At the current price point and the apparent proprietary issues will make me hold off and check out the reviews. Those apps will recognize the Smart Control. My current collection of sensors already work with the apps so it could be a seamless transition for me.
Another concern is from the fiasco with the inRide 2 sensor and the TrainerRoad app for Macs. I had to resort to using Parallels running Windows 8. Then I bought a bluetooth dongle that TrainerRoad for Windows recognizes to make my frankenstein contraption work. So will I have to buy a new heart rate strap to track HR with this?
Does it come with a head unit, or do I have to jerry-rig some sort of a mount for my tablet and buy a new HR strap? I appreciate the need to advance technology. The real questions are maintaining backward compatibility and open communication standards.
Sufferfest — some apps, like Sufferfest, do not support the new Kinetic Smart Control check out the Sufferfest web site — they are only supporting FE-C. BTW — Sufferfest is moving to a subscription model themselves. Will all their new videos be available?
They seem to want to keep that as an exclusive at this point. Those of us who want to use the Sufferfest app just because we like it will be out of luck with Kinetic. The trainer and the software ideally should be able to be used independently from each other, allowing users to mix and match the best options for themselves. Prices points are what they are, but the upgrade unit does seem quite high considering that one can purchase a new unit with broader compatibility from others for about the same price.
Why antagonize and make life harder to your potential clients say goodbye to most of them? By the way i own an Xperia Z3 compact and a Samsung note At the very least we can say you are hearing us. Only time will tell if you are actually listening. No Ant is suicidal, and your pricing is completely out of whack.
I understand your arguments your blog entry pending that BT is the future. However, Ant is very much the present, like it or not. Here are three reasons why, for me at least, a BT only solution is a complete no go:. Despite your incredulity, I too use my Garmin head unit when training indoors.
I use it in combination with an upgraded old PC, because sometimes I pull a Froome and stare at my stem, and because I like having ALL my cycling workouts in a single device. My computer sometimes goes haywire and cuts me off mid workout and looses my data.
My Garmin head unit has a BT is point to point. On top of this, I record all my workouts in the Garmin as backup. This is not possible to do with bluetooth. I am much more likely to either go for another Vortex, or to make the investment in a Wahoo unit which is guaranteed to work with everything and is by all accounts a very solid unit. Personally, I will be purchasing my new trainer at the end of October or in November. Otherwise, it will be sold and one of your competitors will get my money.
If you have any questions let me know. Joel Stewart. Well, people at least those who are reading your comments here… will know what to buy or not…. I hope that after seeing all the feedback from just this small group, Kinetic will think again about their product and solution going forward. They have a great fluid trainer. His responses started off well enough. But they quickly transitioned into argumentative with that arrogance and borderline insults directly to posters for any potential buyer to see.
I suspect someone above him pulled the leash a bit after seeing the backlash here. Joel being the direct source of that does not reflect well on the company, whether he had their blessing or not. I suspect the radio silence is in part to avoid more self-inflicted damage. The lack of a blog post, or any explanation as to its absence, does not look good.
Either way, I am disappointed in the source of information and how it was delivered. I steered clear of the InRide gear once I heard about the numerous issues. I will continue to do the same with their Smart Control.
For one thing it does not practically allow multiple head units to read from the same sensor. Battery life in smartphones is too short even without talking to sensors. There are 6 people in the company. He could be the owner, the industrial designer, or the accountant. It all reminds me of cars without CD players, or iPhones without mini plugs Dan. I find the price high, but if I buy the upgrade, I can still use my Garmin, albeit apparently not to simulate previous rides.
I think most people want to know their trainer will work with further software as well as current software. The majority also want to record their data. Not everyone records via their cellphone, despite what KK thinks. Ground breaking stuff. You could still run the garmin outside of the app if you have a power meter or want to get speed data through use of a speed sensor…right? Ryan, That is my plan.
I do still ride in the basement with the Garmin on the bars, but while the speed is different in Zwift due to the virtual hills, my cadence and hr are the same, so I am looking at the Garmin less and less. So to keep all my training records together I need to export it each time or own a power meter?
It may be great for anyone who only uses Bluetooth; but it does seem to exclude a large portion of the market. Four turbo sessions a week — seems like a lot of working around the issue. I use Trainingpeaks for everything and it seems to work with that; I find TP to be superior to most others.
Or how about bringing a trainer to warm up before an event, and you have to use your phone or laptop? Kurt Kinetic: It is very nice that you responded on this thread but the message comes across as fragmented and piecemeal. I think the 6 of you should get together, pow-wow, and put together a clear statement about your position. You are suggesting a paradigm shift for a lot of these people so need to do a more complete job of explain and selling it. I stumbled into a kinetic road machine, then got the inrinde pod and rode it all winter.
I am maybe their happy customer. Terrific value for the money and absolutely no regrets. I use my iPhone to record my outdoor rides for strava along with a wahoo tickr ble hrm — it is all perfect. I am considering a smart trainer for this coming winter, it is sort of painful and distracting to need to watch that effort line while riding hard.
Mostly though a lot of you come across as pretty narrow minded to me. I care most about better mtb climbing simulation and am waiting to read a comparison of the different devices. Actually, this is precisely the scenario people here are trying to avoid. Kinetic is doing exactly what CompuTrainer did: Beating to their own drum and ignoring industry standards. But there was from around onwards, and CompuTrainer ignored those standards and still does. We all know how that ended.
BLE looks and feels to me an iPhone user like an open standard. I even have a BLE dongle for my pc. Is the hate because kinetic are defining a new BLE profile for encoding the data interchange? Mr DC Rainmaker you rock. Thanks so much for operating this site. Is great to be able to have public critiques.
I sure hope Kinetic gets their act together and explains itself with a well structured response, end of the day I want a good device to use. The lack of these profiles is I guess the tragedy of BLE. And that stinks even more from my POV. There are public BLE specs for:. Cycling Power: link to developer. I suspect that BT committee is just too big and those pesky trainer profiles are not worth the trouble.
I like all of my training data in one place. I also find the iPhone useless for swimming with… Plus the battery life is ravaged by Strava and I need my phone to be a phone on long rides. Yet why would I invest in this if that feature of TrainerRoad is all that is keeping it working for me?
Their indifference has sold me on the competitors product. Joel…while I appreciate you coming on here, your tone is extremely off-putting to me as a consumer and as an owner of a KK Road Machine. Let me spell it out for you: There are a huge number of folks, especially triathletes, who use a single brand of device so that they can collect their data in one spot. My Fenix 3 does swim, bike, and run, and I collect all of my data on it. I also us a Garmin head unit.
I heartily dislike having all of my workouts in one spot, with the exception of indoor bike rides. Makes no sense to me. KK has completely missed the boat on this and has completely misread how people use their devices, and instead of just acknowledging that simple fact, you are getting defensive and dismissive which is not going to win you any customers.
Why intentionally exclude a large section of your target market? Kinetic is a great company that has always made quality products and supported them with a no questions asked policy so I am willing to cut them a little slack here. Maybe I should learn to file things better. I bought the dam thing 6 or 7 years ago because of the supposedly great warranty!
But the warranty is useless to me now. Or will it just everything hook up without any need for a dongle? I have an older almost 10 years Road Machine Pro to which I added an in-ride pod last indoor season. I was generally happy with the upgrade — although a millisecond hesitation in pedalling would shoot me off the back in Zwift — but I am looking for something with app controlled resistance.
You mentioned there are resistance trainers on the market currently that cost the same as the Kinetic upgrade unit; could you kindly tell which ones they might be please? So I had a list of Kurt employee email addresses from various contacts. I got an almost immediate reply stating that there are NO plans to change the current Smart Control line.
Well, I for one am dying to get it. I do almost all of my Ironman training indoors. Using a stationary bike trainer for the length of time that I do per workout, makes other trainers a bad idea. And yes, I know what proper cycling form is on my bikes. This matches the conf call I had late last week with them. I was under the impression it needed different hardware, not just a software change.
FJ Are you in the UK? For the sake of saving a few cents they have pushed themselves into a corner. That ship should not have sailed and has actually no reason to be afloat at all. I do not want to take calls during my ride. I also do not want to put it silent or in airplane mode. I do not want it covered in sweat and furhtermore: I am an android lover.
If upgrade to the Smart Control will it work? As long as you are using a Bluetooth enabled device for TR, it will work. Furthermore, his dozen or so mentions of a nonexistent blog post demonstrate that he has zero integrity. I had bought two Road Machines, have now dumped them for a Tacx Vortex. Thanks for the insight you make it easy to figure out which would be best fits.
I actually tried the elite Drivo but got a defective one and their Tech support kinda sucks especially the day lag in response them being in Italy and me in the States so i am working on returning that and got a kickr instead which has worked well so far. Now reading the comments and them trying to justify it is even more hilarious.
I use trainer road on my computer with the ant dongle and my wife uses her ipad currently and not being able to use it for both is a pain. Also the cost for the upgrade is silly! I live in MN as well and just want to go to their place and go really way to alienate your customers and make it hard for them to use the actual apps they want and not your special app!
And supporting BLE is a great idea if it is a superior technology. But superior technologies do not always win. Beta vs VHS is the classic example. They seem to be under the impression that the trainer I use will influence the rest of my fitness metrics system. That is foolish. The trainer is a small, perhaps even minor part of my fitness metrics system.
Everything else has to work with that, and I have lots of stuff that does. HR strap, cadence meter, powertap, etc. I use those things every time I get on my bike or run, all year long. My whole routine is built around that head unit. And the big gorilla in that market is Garmin. So unless they are going to go head to head no pun intended with Garmin they should accept the fact that customer will want to stick with what is working for them now, which is their Garmin head unit and all those peripherals.
So you need to upgrade your amp if you want to play CDs. Like this new Sony amp. It could be successful if there was no competition for CDs, but if someone came along with something almost as good as CDs that had RCA jacks, they would win. It only works if there is no competition.
There is a lot of competition in the trainer space. I suspect the company is run by engineers who believe that their trainers are the best I love my Road Machine , that there is no competition, and that people will buy them solely based on their standalone attributes. I have a Kinetic rock n roller, and really like the ability to throw the bike around. I hear your objections and agree but it would be nice if you reviewed the trainer as a trainer?
That would really be helpful. My understanding from an e-mail last week is that a unit is on the way shortly. They were sending it from the European distribution hub as that minimizes import duty issues for me , and there was some minor logistical delay there.
Roady, did you get any more feedback on update to the kinetic. From what I can see should be available from next week to mid-Nov depending on supplier. Hi Macca, my UK contact at 2pure put me in contact with a kinetic.
Nothing visually has changed in the app. Conversely the version listed on the android Play Store is still 1. Really interested to get your thoughts on how it performs. Also am i right that a simple Bluetooth 4. The Kinetic. It seems extremely erratic! Going to strip it all back tonight and refit to see if I can resolve. Another happy KK customer moving away. Suffice to say: I would happy become a KK customer again in future.
KK Smart Control is overpriced and their Software ecosystem backwards. Would not recommend as a viable alternative, even if costs dropped to equal the current market alternatives. I have been using my RnR and sending sensor data to Zwift. Sharing our experiences is one of the few things we as consumers can do! Ironically, I committed to the sale of my Road Machine yesterday and today the Kinetic. I still have my InRide setup but will be stripping it from the RM over the weekend.
Can see the app had another update today to 1. Roady, I tried the new Android Kinetic app update 1. It appears that Kinetic have not shacked with Polar people long enough to learn from them what happens when you stick with a propriatary protocol. I was roaming the Internet for a replacement for our 6 years old Computrainers and was quite interested by the Rock and Roll, but oh, forget it, no more ghettos! Still no blog post?
Quite surprising seeing as how defensive KK was in the comment section. Interesting, as seeing the amount of misrepresented, confused, and frustrated consumers and customers probably warranted it more than most situations. Not to mention the lack of one speaks monumentally about either the arrogance associated with the character displayed in the comments on this post, or the dedication to their product; and frankly, neither one is good at this point. See, the thing with people is that they tend to like familiarity and for the most part stay loyal to brands that treat them right, and companies they trust.
This is extremely evident with the American car market and multi-generation return customers, or a number of long-term businesses like L. Bean, hell even Nashbar. As a new cyclist I was dead set on the new Smart Control as my first trainer.
I withheld due to tech concerns this initial post , and am glad I did because many better options popped up within days. Sadly, withholding has now turned to boycotting as the attitudes displayed in this thread are rather disappointing, not to mention the lack of customer understanding or empathy. Humans are also creatures of habit.
Any investors who understand the tech enough to see what happened here would shit a brick. But I digress. They fall to bits over a period of time. Buying a Neo seems a hit and miss experience. Bye bye Tacx. Bye bye Elite. In fact everyone I know who has a Garmin has a tale to tell.
In short then, I bought my trainer on recommendations I found online. Well done Kurt Kinetic but please do something about the upgrad cost. I only use TrainerRoad and Zwift like most people and my inRide works fine. Well done Kurt Kinetic but please do something about the upgrade cost. That sounds an odd reason to rule out a product. Your experience of Garmin is not mine. Obviously a significant number of people value compatibility with their Garmin units. We all have different needs; it seems yours are met perfectly by the products KK are offering.
Sure let me tell you ma tale. I have Garmin and Garmin Years of completely trouble operation. Granted I never uploaded from Garmin to iPhone as I do not own one. Upload to PC works like a charm though. I also have 2 outdoor Garmin units: Garmin 60csx and Garmin 62s. Same results.
Great functionality and zero problem over the years. You are a lucky man with Garmin Kostya. They can be mysterious at times. I have an , and 3 other devices from Garmin all which have had their challenges. It has no wifi capability o I have a cadence sensor, and speed sensor on my bike: No powermeters o I ride in my basement in Zwift, upload the ride to Strava, and at the same time, the cadence and speed are registered on my Garmin, and upload to Garmin later. Kinetic is well aware of what they are doing, and will succeed, or adjust, or fade away.
I have calmly registered that I find the price too high, and when I come to buy a smart unit I will vote with my money. Do you have two files for your ride then? Safe riding. Hi Dan, I only made my comments based on my experiences. The great thing about these type of forums is that we can share experiences both good and bad. So there in lies the problem for me. For me, I find Connect lacking and went to Trainingpeaks a year or so ago and find that to be vastly superior and this unit works with that.
It also works with sufferfest, which is great. In other words, accepting the compatibility limitations … is this a good smart trainer? I have a KKRM. I usually train at a PerfPro studio and ride on the road, but occasionally weather and other commitments mean I will dig out the turbo at the weekend.
I like be able to ride each session with a clear training goal and using my FTP and I usually use an old Sufferfest video; I would like to give Zwift a go. DC Rainmaker has said that there will be a review, but I had not seen it as yet. The product is still only weeks old. When I had gone to my bike shop in October Montreal he did not even know about the product yet. It just arrived on my doorstep either yesterday or the day before.
Zwift sessions will be saved on the PC with the trainer PM but I will upload my Garmin data with the stages PM to my training analytics software for consistency. Thank you Stages for future proofing your product. It was a big factor in my decision go run with Stages. I currently own a Road Machine 2 and love it. I plan to purchase the rock and roll smart control pending your review.
I am sure it will, as it is supposed to be compatible with Zwift. In any case you can use the Smart, and still send you cadence to Zwift from your Garmin meters the way you do without a Smart trainer. So I received and set up my KK smart control road machine a few days ago.
Gotta say I was excited to get it set up as it feels like a pretty solid product. Absolute garbage. First off, the power metering is so far off its laughable. It just uses the speed of the flywheel to meter power! Secondly, there is no way to control the magnetic resistance in the app! Maybe I can get it going by plugging the usb b into my laptop?
Plug in, Windows instantly detects that the device connected has a problem no kidding huh? Super disappointed!